Episode 47: He Uses Cannabis Oil As His Only Treatment for Multiple Sclerosis

Episode 47: He Uses Cannabis Oil As His Only Treatment for Multiple Sclerosis


– You’re listening
to cannabis health radio Here are your hosts
Ian Jesssop and Corrie Yelland. Ian: Welcome to another episode
of cannabis health radio, I’m Ian Jessop. – Corrie: And I’m Corrie Yelland. – Ian: Multiple sclerosis is currently classified as
an autoimmune disease of the central nervous system, the brain and spinal cord. MS is unpredictable and can cause symptoms
such as extreme fatigue, lack of coordination, weakness, tingling, impaired sensation, vision problems, bladder problems, cognitive impairment and mood changes. Canada surprisingly has one
of the highest MS rates in the world. Conventional medicine is of the opinion
that there is no cure for MS. And joining us to talk about his battle with MS
and the use of cannabis oil is Dale Melnechuk, who lives in Ontario Canada. Dale good of you to join us
and tell us your story, thank you. – Dale: Thanks Ian I was diagnosed
with multiple sclerosis in 1997. I was 24 years old at that time
and at the time the doctor basically sat me down and said yes you have multiple sclerosis,
it’s not Lyme disease, it’s not anything else. So at that time I took him
for his word and believed everything he said basically I had left for a little
while somewhere I had grown up and took a couple years and to the looks flooring
up in Ottawa in the area and then came back to marry my wife and then got on
some of those MS drugs the first drug that I was on was rebus the second one
was Tysabri and both of them didn’t really give me any positive results so I
decided to get off of those drugs and then went down to the States and had the
liberation procedure the doctor Zamboni familiy had that had benefits for his
wife so I had that come I say back but I still felt decline for my MS so I did a
little bit more research and I came across Cory’s information and also Rick
Simpson and looking into a little bit further
I had always leave that I had Lyme disease so
researching it I found some information about Lyme disease and Rick Simpson oil
and salt people benefiting from that so I thought I’d give it a try
which only I was able to to make a few inquiries and I found information to
leave me in the proper direction so I started taking the oil and it’s been
great ever since about three years now yeah let’s back up a bit what symptoms
were you experiencing prior to going to the doctor sure so in 1997 I woke up one
morning believe it was in early spring and I kind of moved my toes on my left
foot so I had gotten a little curious as to what was going on there so I went to
my local doctor and he suggested I went and saw a neurologist when thousands
neurologists and he had done a few tests on me and came to the conclusion I had
multiple sclerosis and when they said you had MS multiple sclerosis what what
was it like for yous like psychologically when the doctors told
you that oh well 1997 is a 24 year old young man I didn’t really know what ms
was it’s a little shocked by it and came home and started looking into a little
further and and I was a little worried the doctor told me that I D in a
wheelchair in about ten years a little taken aback I you know I have my whole
life ahead of me there and I was a little concerned but to be honest it’s
been it’s been an interesting experience but I’m not not as shaken up as I
thought it would have been so so you went on drugs and you did the drugs
assist you in any way no I think the MS drugs that are standard therapy stays
and for myself personally nothing but just it seemed like it sped up the
disease a little bit for me so so I got some I got off a rebus after I believe a
year maybe two and then I was on Tysabri for about six months but I hear it’s
hearing information about sorry causing PML and in people which
ended up leading to some serious complication so I decided to just get
off of that drug what did you say PML yeah PML I believe
I don’t remember what PML stands for but I believe it’s very similar to mad cow
disease so Indian cows and cattle the mad cow disease it’s similar in the
human being Wow from from my understanding now I’m
not a doctor so hoe don’t quote me but that is what I
understood what I’m seeing just by quickly googling and it’s it’s a rare
and unusual fatal viral disease characterized by progressive damage or
inflammation of the white matter of the brain and at multiple locations is what
it says exactly so from my understanding there is something called fatalities to
that or people end up just becoming vegetables basically so I’m not sure if
that’s a term that’s proper but we understand what you saying yeah yeah so
Dale you started with with the tingling or the lack of sensation in your toes
was yeah was your MS deteriorating as you went along yeah it progressed I
ended up at a 98 accident with my toes they came back after about six months
but then six months after that I was limping on my left leg up until about
well I was limping progressively up until 2007 and then in 2007 I had an
accident I worked where I fractured my shoulder and if I head off a concrete
floor and then within a week to two I wasn’t able to walk at all I had to use
a walker Wow Dale you need some good luck in your life a wonderful wife great
family so you know and you know great friends I met through Facebook as such
as Cory you know she’s been tremendous help to me so you mentioned earlier that
you went down to the u.s. to have was it the liberation procedure yes that’s
correct so
operation procedure that’s the one that dr. Zamboni in Italy I guess he
discovered that the jugular veins and the Augustine’s were not allowing the
blood flow correctly so if they had to go in and bloom those veins and open
them up and when they did that I got my eyesight back and I had a lot of pain
leave my legs but unfortunately I wasn’t able to walk after it so when you say
you got your eyesight back how bad was your eyesight at the time at that time I
had double vision so it was blurry and double vision basically I could remember
laying on the table when they opened up the balloon and they had like industrial
tile type thing where these little checkers threw out the tile and as soon
as they opened the balloons all of a sudden my eyesight went right back to
20/20 so there was definitely something there that’s good yeah what is your
eyesight today 20/20 I had 20/20 vision before diagnosis of MS then I ended up
getting double vision blurry vision and then after they had that procedure done
my eyes that came back 20/20 so you got better eyesight than we do yeah like a
country mile great Gauri’s here with the reading glasses on answer on the table because of your serious work-related
accident in which you hurt your yourself and your head banged against the
concrete floor I I’m assuming yeah take us through what exactly what happened
okay basically in 2004 I was offered the position to manage an equipment store
I’ve been doing that since 1988 so I went back into work after coming back
from my hot little holiday in Ottawa and basically I was just running the
operation I had to send people out to do some deliveries so I was in a store
along with some customers I was carrying some boxes and at that time I my limp on
my left leg was getting my toe just kind of rug and I went down
and kept my shoulder off the counter and then bang my head off the concrete floor
like I say about a week or two I was using a walker after that so I basically
just inflamed the MS or caused the backed-up blood to stay in my skull a
little longer and and ended up causing damage basically but CCSVI they believe
that higher in forms with blood not being able to drain out of the brain
sufficiently so I believe that’s probably what happened to me so are you
in a wheelchair today yes I am in a wheelchair basically about 2011 2012 I
got bad enough so that I couldn’t use my walker anymore and then went into the
wheelchair so I’ve been in the chair since yeah I guess it’s been about four
or five years now they’ll do you have any feeling at all in your legs
yeah fortunately I do feel sensation is there I’m not sure if I have the same
sensation as most people but I can feel when somebody touches my foot I can feel
my legs fine now again that all came back after that CCAC arts teacher but
also I believe the cannabis oil helps immensely in sensation and just my
overall feeling I feel healthy I feel good I believe that all comes down to
the oil myself so tell us how you discovered cannabis oil basically I
inherited or saw a program on television a long time ago about Rick Simpson so I
saw that I was always intrigued by it but then I went online and I started
doing some research and I came across brick Simpsons name fortunately for me I
came across Corey’s name and I was able to to get some information from Corey so
do you remember the first time you took it yes I do
I again for me as a teenager I had always been around marijuana I had tried
it I know I knew what marijuana was all about but the first time I took the the
oil I was writing buried and I had no real problem with
all it it worked great and I knew what I was looking at first so after you
started taking the oil how soon did you notice that you know maybe this is
working maybe yeah oh I sorry I cut you off just I leave I knew pretty quickly
I doing a herxheimer reaction so I started getting really weak but I knew
the oil was working it was fighting that infection off not lasted about three
months but I would I think I started doing about a gram a day of oil and I
was eating that every day and within a week I knew I was I was on the road to
healing it was it was a little worrisome because if I didn’t know that I was
going to be in for the search timer reaction and experienced all that
weakness I may have gotten scared and gotten off the oil thinking all this is
something that might be causing this but I knew the oil was actually fighting off
that infection and healing these so I went through that three months and got
through the herxheimer reaction and and then basically it’s just been true scale
and everything yeah for people unfamiliar with the herxheimer reaction
it’s a detox of your body and for some people that can be very uncomfortable
and if some people don’t experience it to the extent that others do Cory when
you started taking oil did you experience the herxheimer reaction no
not really although often we will see with people
that they get worse before they get better
and I certainly got worse I was hauled off to hospital lights and sirens
levitating off the structure and pain several times Oh were you yeah but with
the herxheimer reaction usually we see it about you know this isn’t you know
solid rule but between two and five weeks and it could be just mild kind of
flu-like symptoms or where people think oh there’s something wrong with this oil
you know it’s poison or something because now I’m feeling really awful and
I feel nauseous and I’ve got diarrhea or headache and you could be quite
emotional and that sort of thing yeah often just drinking more fluids and
just being really kind to yourself helps you know and getting rest other times if
it’s really intense you have to kind of back off you dose that you’re taking for
a while particularly in MS and limes patients we can we often see a really
intense reaction and I am just so pleased that Dale was able to stick with
it and go through it and come out the other side because you know the first
time I talked to Dale we had a great conversation but your energy was really
really low Dale yeah sure what yeah really really low and you’re kind of
like monotone you could tell you just didn’t have a lot of energy and a lot of
joy although you weren’t negative by any stretch of imagination but you could
certainly pick up that you weren’t having a good time yes absolutely it was
before I started well I was already weak so the oil I just intensified my
weakness the thing I keep thinking to myself and saying is that when I was
diagnosed in 1997 if I come across the oil in 1997 and I had that CCSVI
procedure in 97 I’m sure I’d still be walking today I’m sure I’d still be as
healthy as the next person nobody would ever know that I had a mess or Lyme
disease or whatever you want to call it I really truly believe that but you just
have to get through those first couple months of the reclaimer and and since
then it’s been great I’ve been very thankful that I’ve come across this well
it’s a credit to you Dale for being so persistent yeah during the detox of the
herxheimer reaction because I’m sure a lot of people who go through that would
have felt listen I just can’t do this this is making me worse and quit but you
stuck through it for three months which is a considerable length of time yeah
usually it just lasts a week or two so that was pretty intense yeah I was for
sure again I had great support if I was by myself I don’t know if I would have
if I hadn’t used marijuana as a young man I maybe would have been scared about
that because I did I knew what it was all about I knew that this oils been
killing me and it’s been only good for me I knew
stick with it and stay on it so it’s it’s been great I’ll be honest with you
I would don’t know any other medicine that has been so positive that’s for
sure and I think for people listening who may be somewhat apprehensive about
taking cannabis oil marijuana cannabis oil cannabis has never killed anyone
yeah yeah ever it’s impossible to die from an overdose of cannabis yeah yeah I
think you need to take 1,500 pounds of it within 15 minutes to die but the only
way you can do that is if it falls on your head like with that well it’s it’s
certain I was there for me I don’t know anybody who has that much that’s right
exactly we’re going to interview a fellow also from Ontario who had MS Dale
you’ll be interested in this story and Cory do you recall that the fellow was
paralyzed from the neck down and he had to be fed was Jack was telling oh yes
yeah yeah he had to be fed so he’d gone on cannabis oil and today he’s playing
in a band nice yeah yeah we’ll be interviewing him
in early January yep I mean that’s absolutely remarkable
it sure is it’s absolutely wonderful you know and I’m still taking the oil to
this day and I’m gonna continue for the rest of my life so who knows how long
it’ll what or what will happen in the future but you know only good comes as
far as I can tell so Dale how often do you take it oh well I took good drop
just about an hour before we started speaking on the phone here and I usually
will take a drop every night before bed and take maybe a drop during the day and
I’ll vaporize a couple times in the day I find it relaxing I I do enjoy it so so
you you’ve ate besides taking the oil as well yeah why big I have myself a little
bit riser here that I take my my Rickson small with or all just eat it as well
yeah is it difficult for you where you live in Ontario too
tane the product it’s not hard at all I do believe the government has a law here
in Canada where we people with multiple sclerosis and other patients are able to
grow their own at home so it’s it’s been smooth sailing for me that’s for sure it
certainly is a puzzle as to why Canada has one of the highest MS rates in the
world there is a correlation between MS and limes yeah and are you sure you do
not have Lyme disease you know I’ll be honest with you I’ve never been tested
but looking back over my life it seems that I should have picked up a lion
virus from a tick somewhere around my childhood or whatever first is actually
being diagnosed with MS plus as a patient being in the system for this
long I don’t even know if they even believe that Ms is a real disease now
again this is my own opinion I wouldn’t take that to the bank but one enzyme s
they can never even tell us what MS truly is they say it’s an autoimmune
disease ms is what I think it’s something similar it’s alive it seems to
be more of an infection to me mold infection or a lime virus infection or
whatever it is I think that’s honestly a some type of
virus versus just something that just started a little blue for me so I think
what happens is if the medical profession cannot determine an exact
cause of the specific disease they put it under the umbrella of autoimmune
disease you know it could be we interviewed a woman from Washington
State yesterday who had anal canal cancer and she was very healthy in terms
of what she did to keep herself healthy prior to her diagnosis and she was
indicating even though she did all those things the tests on her immune system
showed that her immune system was somewhat weak did I get that right Corey
yet yes so she she had a weak immune system and
that’s why she got cancer yeah you may be in a similar
position where no matter what you did your immune system was weak
therefore you picked up what is described now as multiple sclerosis so
if yeah if you keep doing what you’re doing keep taking the cannabis oil and
and vaping you may find over an extended period that you might be getting better
and better I’m also absolutely you know the more
research that I do as well I find out about the endocannabinoid system in the
human body I start looking at cancer rates and human beings and when you go
back before government ended up eradicating hemp and in cannabis you
know I think fundamentals would be eating these wild plants and passing the
cannabinoids on to the human body and I strongly believe that that’s probably a
reason why cancer rates were so low back then compared to nowadays again with the
autoimmune diseases to you know I believe cannabinoids are definitely
great for human body for sure no absolutely and I was interviewing a
fellow I did interview a fellow a couple of days ago from British Columbia who is
a doctor a medical doctor and also teaches at or taught at the University
of British Columbia and he was researching Lyme disease and he said
that when you get bitten by a tick and the eggs go go into you there they
remain dormant but they have this protective covering over them and I
forget what the exact term is but this protective covering is there to protect
the eggs and they have found through tests at New Haven University that as a
result of injecting cannabidiol into into this it breaks down that protective
layer and actually kills it so what they’re doing now is having further
tests to see if the cannabidiol will kill the eggs and if it kills the eggs
that is essentially what I guess the medical profession would term a cure for
Lyme disease yeah you know I yeah I think this oil is the best antibiotic
how the person can take yeah really not explain it but I did go in
for kidney surgery last April and two doctors are kind of poking around and
looking to see if I had any type of infection and I have zero infection in
me you know and other times like the MS had was damn a sorry virus or whatever
they’re worried about in the hospitals but because I’m on this cannabis oil I
have zero infection whatsoever so yeah you didn’t you take a gram of oil before
you went in for that surgery is that I think that’s what you told me the other
day Victoria Corey why didn’t you take a
gram of oil before you went in for that surgery is that what you told me the
other day yeah waiting room and I had my wife give me a gram of oil there before
I went in for the operation and came through smoothly and yeah and with no of
that infection or a lot of pee or anything like that
yes great a gram of oil and so to start the Rick Simpson protocols please you
work yourself up to that gram and then you start taking the gram a day to kill
the lion virus and are the help you with MS or whatever you believe it is so as
far as I can remember reading the Rick Simpson protocol so did the doctors know
that you’re taking the cannabis oil I do let people know that yes that I am on
cannabis oil I’m not sure if they understand that like this is my main
medicine that I take that I took nothing else and I’m pretty sure they’re mostly
aware I don’t I don’t publicize it to a lot of people but but I do let them know
pretty sure that’s pretty amazing that you’re able to just be on oil and know
know pharmaceuticals with all the damage that comes with them and all the side
effects absolutely I am very anti Pharma right now house after a few years of the
MS drugs and seeing all the different things that are happening in our world
right now with pharmaceuticals I prefer the same was something that God created
and I know that you know God made it certainly works for me and anything that
I tried that and man-made certainly hi so I’ll stick with this for sure deal
how was your family coped with your condition I think they’ve been pretty
good now that you know it’s been 20 years almost you know the first little
bit was difficult on my parents but they were okay with it and you know
fortunately for me I was able to move on I met a beautiful wonderful wife a
wonderful woman then she’s been great I have two wonderful children now
so overall everybody’s been good and you know to be honest I was diagnosed with
MS before I’d met my wife so it’s always been part of something that we don’t
live together so does she notice the difference in you with the oil I believe
she does yeah absolutely I just have a more energetic more spirit more just
better than outlook on life now that I’ve been on this so that’s great yeah
yeah you sound energetic I mean compared to Cory what you were saying earlier no
when you first talked to him he sounds it’s a pretty low energy low energy yeah
yeah yeah yeah it’s pretty hard to wait to smile off my face right now yeah
that’s great well it’d be interesting do you talk to other MS patients about what
your protocol is uh yeah I try and let other people know again I’m on Facebook
so I have about oh I don’t know 450 or 500 MS friends on there so I post
information all the time about it and talk to others and I see other people
who’ve tried it as well I see others sometimes giving up on a little bit
quicker than they should or others having difficulties coming up with the
money to be able to take this because of course our government’s not helping in
any way whatsoever or insurance companies or anything like that so it’s
difficult for some people but I do try and let people know and let them know
the positive experiences I have for sure how receptive are they to what you’re
doing a lot of people that have used candidates in their life
they’re pretty receptive there’s others that I get a lot of pushback from
unfortunately recently I another patient has a daughter who ended up
taking opioids for her pain and ended up getting into an addiction and and I
tried to explain to her that Rick Simpson oil can help her get off of that
opioid if she gave it a chance but again she’s a little bit weary believing that
cannabis led to that and personally I don’t believe that whatsoever but she
believes that cannabis let her daughter into a enjoy strong well the gateway
drug the gateway drug yeah and nothing could be further from the truth
I’m 44 years old now and I think the first time I used marijuana was when I
was 17 and I never used anything ever between here has been announced so
there’s no gateway for me mm-hmm if you talk to in Corey you’ve probably
verify this if you talk to a hundred people about the use of cannabis you’re
going to get probably 80% might be receptive the other 20% sin no way I’m
not thinking that yeah yeah it’s the same with taking cannabis oil by
suppository as opposed to taking it orally and there’s some people that just
say I’m not gonna do that oh yeah okay you can you can get higher you can die lies that the government’s been telling
us for the past 80 or 90 years or whatever it’s been it’s just it seems to
put a lot of fear and a lot of people and people believe it so fortunate you
know I have a one of the people actually have several police officers or a police
officers on my page but one of them said to me that he highly resents being lied
to all these years about cannabis and how he feels sick when he thinks about
how many people that in his career he ended up putting in jail as a result of
cannabis yeah you know just recently there’s a patient with Parkinson’s who
is an ex-cop his video was all over face oh yes yeah I’ve seen it
oh that’s right yeah the fellow that and he’s shaking terribly and then he takes
it and within within a minute you see you notice yeah yeah that’s remark about
lunch yet yeah that’s absolutely remarkable Dale it was good of you to
your story and we hope you continue with the cannabis oil and you get out of the
wheelchair and life returns to normal for you I hope so I don’t Cory you dance
I say to some be a dance and and a glass of wine to go with it I just said I need
a glass of wine to go with that dance thank you so much for taking time out of
your day to be with us and share your experience and you know give some other
people out there some hope wonderful thank you so much for letting me be part
of this all right thank you thanks Dale that’s it for another edition of
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